In our hyper-polarized world, do we really even hear what “the other side” is trying to say? Are we trying? This conversation with Rev. Dr. F. Willis Johnson about race and justice in America seems especially timely. Working as a minister in Ferguson, MO, he witnessed the tragedy unfold after the shooting of Michael Brown. Matt Kibbe joins him to discuss racism, criminal justice, and how we might come together to decentralize power and bring it back to the people.